Thursday, February 4, 2010

For me the mark of a false religion is that you have to do something to earn your way to heaven? What do you?

think?For me the mark of a false religion is that you have to do something to earn your way to heaven? What do you?
Valid comment.





One of my books have a whole pile of traits to avoid.





Things like asking that an item of your ';previus faith'; is destroyed, denounced or otherwised defiled.





A good rule of thumb.





.For me the mark of a false religion is that you have to do something to earn your way to heaven? What do you?
And the true mark of faith, is action. :)
how to know if your religion is false?


if your God hates the same people you do.
The mark of a false religion is faith.
Good. The striking thing about true faith is that YAHOSHUA saves us in order to make us good. Heathen religions (including Judaism) say you make yourself good, then the Almighty is pleased with you and saves you.


True faith says you cannot make yourself good. Only YHVH can.
For me, the mark of falsehood is religion.
I agree. That is one mark. The idea of the free gift of Salvation by Grace is so utterly foreign to human thinking, most people would rather believe ANYTHING else. Our ingrained sense of pride tells us we must do SOMETHING to earn Salvation. Even many Christians are tempted to mingle works with Grace for Salvation. The Book of Galatians in the Bible deals with this type of thinking in the early Church. Salvation by Grace doesn't make sense to most people and it strikes right at the heart of our prideful, self-sufficient, elitist thinking. We have nothing of which to boast or pat ourselves on the back about.


You've made a very astute observation.





8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:





9Not of works, lest any man should boast.





10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Ephesians 2:8-10 (King James Version)








22For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:





23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;





24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.


1 Corinthians 1:22-24 (King James Version)








';For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.';


1 Corinthians 1:18 (King James Version)
For me the mark of a false religion is one that asks for money from those that follow it but offers nothing in return (other than perhaps more selfish materialism). It is one thing to request money for things such as texts that spiritual uplift and inspire and teach spiritual lessons. It is one thing to request money to be used for charitable purposes that help others who are in need. It is quite another to simply ask for money and keep it for yourself or to continue to bind people to selfish materialism rather than teaching them the ways to liberation or even simply just how to be in the presence of God and receive God's grace and love.





But that's my own humble opinion. Though God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent and even God can find a way to use the false religion to lead someone back to God. God has the power to use the religion, has the knowledge of our hearts to know which persons are actually seeking after God, and the presence to be in all places at all times. Thus in the false religion God knows the sincerity of the hearts of the people and God will be present there for those that truly seek after God and through God's power will lead them to God. We need not do anything but keep our hearts open and our soul ready to receive.
O.K. I tend to agree with you, somewhat. What if that religion does not say anything about heaven? Not all religions believe in heaven.





But if it does, the deeper question is , ';What is the relationship between faith and works?';. Even in Christianity, this is a confusing matter. If I am saved by faith, then all I have to do is believe. After that, can I live anyhow? No, because believing entails a certain lifestyle. If I do not live according to my belief, I have effectively denied that belief.





So, I agree with you that salvation is obtained only by faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. But once I am saved, I need to live according to that belief, e.g love those who hate me.





I would therefore compare it to the legal term ';Condition Subsequent'; (as opposed to ';Condition Precedent';).
The mark of a false religion is that it is a religion. All are false
A good point. Also any system that has ';levels'; to achieve heaven is a sure sign of a cult. Especially if you have to pay for a certificate of level achievement.





Like ol' HASSE above, a member of a cult always thinks he is elite above other religions/cults.
I don't know of a religion were you just sit on you butt all the time
For me the mark of a false religion is calling it a religion.
By ';do something'; I assume you also include confessing(verb) your sins and accepting (verb) the salvation of Christ, as well as praying (verb) to God? If I were to Confess my sins to Satan and accept his salvation and pray to him would that not be a false religion? Salvation, I think, must depend utterly upon God in order for a religion not to be false. Not our understanding.
I am a SATANIST and i don't believe in heaven ?? as once we die we all go the same way ,that includes being Cremated,as once we are dead we know not where we go?


and i have never heard from any one to have said otherwise !! Have you !!
for me, the mark of a false religion, is that it teaches things to its followers that never pan out. Like ';if you begin to do this devotion, you will have more joy and you will feel the spirit in your heart';...and it doesn't happen, or ';if you do this spell, you will be protected from your bill collectors calling you at work.'; and it doesn't happen.





The truth always outs itself eventually.
What then, is the mark of a righteous religion?


A false religion is one that people hound you to follow.


They tell you that the religion you are following is false.


A true religion does not put down other religions.
The question is does the doctrine line up to what the Bible teaches. 2 Timothy 3:16 says the Bible is where whe need to get our doctrine from and it is able to make us wise unto salvation.





For example, what does your denomination teach about how to be saved and what did the apostles teach? Do they line up? If not, why not? Shouldn't we be preaching the same gospel?





On the day of Pentecost, the birth of the Church, the apostle Peter preached the first gospel message. If you do what he said to do you will be saved.





The gospel according to the apostles is that Jesus is both LORD (Jehovah, ie God) and Christ (the man promised to redeem us.) He lived a sinless life, died a sacrificial death on the cross, rose from the dead, ascended to heaven, and was glorified and is pouring out the Spirit.





The apostle Peter preaced the first gospel message on the day of Pentecost. When the people were convicted and asked what to do Peter said repent, be baptised in Jesus name, and recieve the Holy Ghost.





Acts 2


14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:





15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.





16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;





17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:





18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:





36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.





37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?





38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.





39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.





40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.





41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.





42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.





Now you see that they repented, got baptised in Jesus name, and recieved the Holy Ghost. But they didn't stop there. They went to church regularly, fellowshiped with other believers, and prayed. If you'll do these things then you'll be happier and you'll start living a more holy life.





Jesus said the same thing.


Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


water = water baptism (should be in Jesus name)


Spirit = Spirit baptism (you will speak in tongues)

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